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3etaНаконец-то я узнала хоть что-то о "страшном Саакашвили" из уст самих грузин. Точнее, одного грузина. Кому интересно...
OK, the situation in Kiev and UA is little bit different than it was before the rose revolution in Georgia. In general everything started from the parliamentary elections, when governmental party facilitated the results and than opposition started to become more active. Opposition leaded by Saakashvili made possible to arrnage another cycle of elections (and of course his party got 87 %) but after a while opposition made President Shevardnadze to resign and as you see new elections for the president was held, where he had no competitors at all.
Thus, situation is different but is very same. At this moment UA opposition has the same request towards Ianukovich than our opposition had with Shevardandze, and the demonstrations, concerts, and all the things you see in Kiev are 100% similar (and I want to say more organized then here) to ours.
Please don't believe the people saying the "Do you want to live like Georgians?" This is a propaganda against democracy and independence. Of course some people may thinks that revolution is bad, and it maybe (depends on result) be true, because all the things must be solved according to the legislation, but when gov. is taking this chance from you than................Yes, we had same thing. People were afraid of what will happen after the Shevardnadze (and as you see Saakashvili is more energetic, inteligent and seems "crazy" and people were afraid to have this kind of
president) but he and his team made possible in the very short period of time:
- Police Reform is almost implemented (Traffic police don't exist in Georgia anymore, most corrupt body of the government). In general 15 000 traffic police were sent home and new Patrol Police with new cars in all cities were imported from Germany, new young and motivated, educated people + old professionals were recruited through the merit based competition. Now no one is stoping you and the car without argument and everything in this direction is going smothly.
- Military Development. Military spirit in Geogria was dead during past governemnmt. Now, not only young generation got a stimul to serve the army, but the children of very rich families, even parliamenrians are having 1 month military trainings (why I am paying attention to this? becouse we have conflict on our teritory and are missing Georgian land: Abkhazia and Osetia).
- Education reform and its funding increased 3 times for next year. From next year, and starting from 2006 education system will be European and American mixed and no more soviet managment, studnet shcolarship system anymore. This is a great step, but is having many difficulties from conservatory professors. I called them, red profesura and red intiligencia.
- Roads are reparing, Georgia's promotions as a tourist country is on the way.
- New European symbols are entering the country.
- All pentions are covered on time every month (Before that people were not getting pansions for a monthes, somtimes 6-7 month).
- Corruption is limited. I am not saying that there are no corruption, but you can't feel. maybe you may encounter in a big level.
- New tax code will be effective form new year, which will be most liberal codex in Eastern Europe. Thus attracting new investments and companies in Georgia.
- Georgia tave a direction to enter 1st in NATO and than in EU. So, we know where we are going. We are not looking to be political partners with Russia but are looking to be reliable and great neigbors and friends with this country and have economic-cultural relations.
- New construction started in the country.
- and one of the best things is that Georgians now feel united as never before during this 12 year period.
And there are many things are to say. I don't want to overload and make the list berried. People saying this things who are just afraid of changes, and Russian media and politicians are working hard to promote this message among Ukrainians. So, things are going OK in Georgia. I always say to this kind of people. "What is bad at this moment which was not during past government"?
Only thing is that because of reforms many people are loosing jobs (mostly corrupt people) and this may cause some social problems. But comparing to the last year, this year state budget increased twice, which is a very big achievement, teritorial integrity of Georgia is getting better and are looking to start negotiations with Abkhazia and Osetia (our conflict zones).
If there will be one team, and Iushenko will have a support from the parliament he will achieve a lot, but there will be many problems in the way, sometimes you may say that everything's is the same, but soon, in 1 or
2 years you will feel changes, otherwise government who came from citizen support will not be allowed to do something wrong, against the nation, maybe their will do some mistakes only. So, to be in short please don't pay attention to this rumors, we had same. Even that Georgia will be breaking into parts and regions, seaside part of Georgia called Adjara will go to Turkey or Russia, etc. But people see that everything went well, so this is a tachtic of political, black campaign.
Very warm regards. Actually my friends visited Kiev last week and they were very happy that evrything is going very organized. I am with you guys, and evry day is watching 5 chanel and news about Ukraine.
Cheers and for Ukrainians from Georgia.
Berdia
OK, the situation in Kiev and UA is little bit different than it was before the rose revolution in Georgia. In general everything started from the parliamentary elections, when governmental party facilitated the results and than opposition started to become more active. Opposition leaded by Saakashvili made possible to arrnage another cycle of elections (and of course his party got 87 %) but after a while opposition made President Shevardnadze to resign and as you see new elections for the president was held, where he had no competitors at all.
Thus, situation is different but is very same. At this moment UA opposition has the same request towards Ianukovich than our opposition had with Shevardandze, and the demonstrations, concerts, and all the things you see in Kiev are 100% similar (and I want to say more organized then here) to ours.
Please don't believe the people saying the "Do you want to live like Georgians?" This is a propaganda against democracy and independence. Of course some people may thinks that revolution is bad, and it maybe (depends on result) be true, because all the things must be solved according to the legislation, but when gov. is taking this chance from you than................Yes, we had same thing. People were afraid of what will happen after the Shevardnadze (and as you see Saakashvili is more energetic, inteligent and seems "crazy" and people were afraid to have this kind of
president) but he and his team made possible in the very short period of time:
- Police Reform is almost implemented (Traffic police don't exist in Georgia anymore, most corrupt body of the government). In general 15 000 traffic police were sent home and new Patrol Police with new cars in all cities were imported from Germany, new young and motivated, educated people + old professionals were recruited through the merit based competition. Now no one is stoping you and the car without argument and everything in this direction is going smothly.
- Military Development. Military spirit in Geogria was dead during past governemnmt. Now, not only young generation got a stimul to serve the army, but the children of very rich families, even parliamenrians are having 1 month military trainings (why I am paying attention to this? becouse we have conflict on our teritory and are missing Georgian land: Abkhazia and Osetia).
- Education reform and its funding increased 3 times for next year. From next year, and starting from 2006 education system will be European and American mixed and no more soviet managment, studnet shcolarship system anymore. This is a great step, but is having many difficulties from conservatory professors. I called them, red profesura and red intiligencia.
- Roads are reparing, Georgia's promotions as a tourist country is on the way.
- New European symbols are entering the country.
- All pentions are covered on time every month (Before that people were not getting pansions for a monthes, somtimes 6-7 month).
- Corruption is limited. I am not saying that there are no corruption, but you can't feel. maybe you may encounter in a big level.
- New tax code will be effective form new year, which will be most liberal codex in Eastern Europe. Thus attracting new investments and companies in Georgia.
- Georgia tave a direction to enter 1st in NATO and than in EU. So, we know where we are going. We are not looking to be political partners with Russia but are looking to be reliable and great neigbors and friends with this country and have economic-cultural relations.
- New construction started in the country.
- and one of the best things is that Georgians now feel united as never before during this 12 year period.
And there are many things are to say. I don't want to overload and make the list berried. People saying this things who are just afraid of changes, and Russian media and politicians are working hard to promote this message among Ukrainians. So, things are going OK in Georgia. I always say to this kind of people. "What is bad at this moment which was not during past government"?
Only thing is that because of reforms many people are loosing jobs (mostly corrupt people) and this may cause some social problems. But comparing to the last year, this year state budget increased twice, which is a very big achievement, teritorial integrity of Georgia is getting better and are looking to start negotiations with Abkhazia and Osetia (our conflict zones).
If there will be one team, and Iushenko will have a support from the parliament he will achieve a lot, but there will be many problems in the way, sometimes you may say that everything's is the same, but soon, in 1 or
2 years you will feel changes, otherwise government who came from citizen support will not be allowed to do something wrong, against the nation, maybe their will do some mistakes only. So, to be in short please don't pay attention to this rumors, we had same. Even that Georgia will be breaking into parts and regions, seaside part of Georgia called Adjara will go to Turkey or Russia, etc. But people see that everything went well, so this is a tachtic of political, black campaign.
Very warm regards. Actually my friends visited Kiev last week and they were very happy that evrything is going very organized. I am with you guys, and evry day is watching 5 chanel and news about Ukraine.
Cheers and for Ukrainians from Georgia.
Berdia
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Date: 2004-12-06 07:24 pm (UTC)Особенно перечисления достижений Саакашвили впечатляют! Это Достижения с большой Буквы.
Неужели Украина пойдет по этому пути?
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Date: 2004-12-06 07:26 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-07 03:58 am (UTC)Откровенно говоря, для одного года, на мой взгляд, это вполне весомые достижения.
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Date: 2004-12-07 08:19 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-07 12:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-07 09:28 pm (UTC);)
Честно говоря, я не в курсе: вполне возможно, что это письмо он писал парню из одессы, живущему в Штатах на английском именно потому, что тот как раз имеет привычку писать на английском (он там уже довольно долго)
А, может, в Грузии сейчас с русским языком то же, что и на западной Украине - носителей языка меньше, молодое поколение почти не гвоорит по-русски, соответственно знают его плохо...
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Date: 2004-12-07 05:18 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-07 12:07 pm (UTC)Он что же, по-русски, ни гу-гу?
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Date: 2004-12-07 05:29 pm (UTC)Во-вторых, это же язык проклятых оккупантов, как можно на нём говорить?
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Date: 2004-12-08 03:54 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-08 04:06 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-08 04:35 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-08 04:42 pm (UTC)Жили-были там злые французские оккупанты, которые умучивали арабов.
Началось народное восстание, выгнали оккупантов, наступила долгожданная свобода, равенство, братство, и всеобщая победа разума.
Естественно, победившие разум арабы никак не могли смириться с мыслью о том, что противный французский язык может применяться в свободной стране, и элиминировали франкоязычное образование.
Через некоторое время выяснилось, что, скажем, инженерной терминологии в языке свободных арабов нет вовсе. А инженерные сооружения, недоломанные с момента ухода оккупантов, сохранились, и требуют инженерного обслуживания.
...Теперь дипломы в Алжире выдаются на двух языках, и многие предметы преподают на французском.
Кстати, скинувшие ярмо русских поработителей потомки древних шумеров тоже хотели было всю документацию перевести на мову в 1990е. Деваться некуда, ибо незалежность, и, скажем, Харьковское танковое КБ выкатило несколько тонн документации и чертежей по танкам.
Не перевели, ибо:
а) не хватило бабла
б) словей.
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Date: 2004-12-12 12:11 pm (UTC)В любом случае, язык вырабатывает нормы при необходимости. Вопрос времени.
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Date: 2004-12-12 11:22 am (UTC)В общем, по этому поводу значительные возмущения были в середине 90-х, тогда же одним из предложений (уж не помню кого) было изменение алфавита и написания некоторых слов иностранного происхождения: дескать, что это такое "аВтобус", но "аУдитория", когда английский корень один? Пусть все пишется через "в"!
Но вроде как нашли для наших парламентариев занятие поважнее, чем перекройка языка
:)
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Date: 2004-12-12 12:10 pm (UTC)Какой же?
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Date: 2004-12-12 12:37 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 12:55 pm (UTC)Вообще надо почитать твой жж... почитать основательно... Ахаха...
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Date: 2004-12-12 01:03 pm (UTC)но намертво в память врезлось предложение наравне с" автомобиль" говорить и "авдытория"
:)
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Date: 2004-12-07 09:39 pm (UTC)это друг моего знакомого одессита, проживающего где-то в Калифорнии :))
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Date: 2004-12-07 05:18 pm (UTC)Очень смешно. Чтение достижений впечатлило.
Гаишников он и в самом деле построил, это факт.
Теперь дальше:
- Military Development. Military spirit in Geogria was dead during past governemnmt. Now, not only young generation got a stimul to serve the army, but the children of very rich families, even parliamenrians are having 1 month military trainings (why I am paying attention to this? becouse we have conflict on our teritory and are missing Georgian land: Abkhazia and Osetia).
Ну пусть повоюют. Милитари спирит у них при т-ще Гамсахурдиа был тоже хоть куда, а вот солдатами они оказались хреновыми. Кстати, именно в военку уходит сейчас вся иностранная помощь Грузии.
-- Education reform and its funding increased 3 times for next year. From next year, and starting from 2006 education system will be European and American mixed and no more soviet managment, studnet shcolarship system anymore. This is a great step, but is having many difficulties from conservatory professors. I called them, red profesura and red intiligencia
То есть, Джорджию они будут искать на карте Штатов, как это делает любой нормальный американец:) Главное, непонятно, какой такой замечательной станет система образования, что значит эта смесь ужа с ежом?
>- Roads are reparing, Georgia's promotions as a tourist country is on the way.
И что, в Тбилиси появились приличные _недорогие_ отели? Щас. Инфраструктуры нет, и что там будут делать туристы? Разве что экстремальные найдутся.
>New European symbols are entering the country.
Ээээ...это диагноз. Переходят уже границу, да. Небольшими отрядами европейских символов:)
>All pentions are covered on time every month (Before that people were not getting pansions for a monthes, somtimes 6-7 month).
Оч.хор.фин.дисциплина. Только никто там не пенсии не живёт. Хотя, ругать за это не стоит.
>Corruption is limited. I am not saying that there are no corruption, but you can't feel. maybe you may encounter in a big level.
То есть, кому попало коррупцией запретили заниматься, можно только на высоком уровне коррупционировать. Так оно и есть, в общем-то:)
Особенно радуют конфискации денег и имущества без приговора суда.
>New tax code will be effective form new year, which will be most liberal codex in Eastern Europe. Thus attracting new investments and companies in Georgia.
Где можно увидеть это чудо? И новые инвестиции тож. Инвестиции в эту дыру не идут не потому, что там налоговый кодекс плох, а потому, что внутреннего рынка нет, экспорт из страны ограничен, нац.валюта нестабильна и т.д.
>Georgia tave a direction to enter 1st in NATO and than in EU. So, we know where we are going. We are not looking to be political partners with Russia but are looking to be reliable and great neigbors and friends with this country and have economic-cultural relations.
Ну и Шеварднадзе туда же ломился. В чём дифференс? А в друзьях нам такое чудо совершенно не нужно. И без релэйшнс обойдемся:)
>New construction started in the country.
Это что за констракшн? Хижина дяди Тома или?
>and one of the best things is that Georgians now feel united as never before during this 12 year period.
Это несомненно. Все, кто не юнайтед, за 12 лет из страны просто свалили:)
Only thing is that because of reforms many people are loosing jobs (mostly corrupt people) and this may cause some social problems. But comparing to the last year, this year state budget increased twice, which is a very big achievement, teritorial integrity of Georgia is getting better and are looking to start negotiations with Abkhazia and Osetia (our conflict zones).
Т.е. безработица растёт? Это хорошо, это правильно. Ну и через руки государства больше денег пошло, что не всегда радостная новость.
Тема переговоров вообще вызывает веселье - после того, как в Осетии Миша получил по рогам, он теперь looking to start negotiations. А вот Абхазия и Осетия вовсе не лукин, и не планируют.
Короче, никаких серьезных достижений нет. Кроме, конечно, всеобщей любви к МС.
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Date: 2004-12-07 05:48 pm (UTC)"Opposition leaded by Saakashvili made possible to arrnage another cycle of elections (and of course his party got 87 %) but after a while opposition made President Shevardnadze to resign and as you see new elections for the president was held, where he had no competitors at all."
Вот он, триумф демократии:)
Please don't believe the people saying the "Do you want to live like Georgians?" This is a propaganda against democracy and independence.
Изумительно:)
"new Patrol Police with new cars in all cities were imported from Germany" -это, действительно, радикальное решение проблемы - ввезти полицейских с машинами из Германии:)))
"From next year, and starting from 2006 education system will be European and American mixed and no more soviet managment, studnet shcolarship system anymore. This is a great step, but is having many difficulties from conservatory professors."
Плачу:) в консерватории надо поправить, имЯнно!:)
Отнесу-ка я сей уберперл мысли к себе в ЖЖ, с вашего соизволения. Я даже комментировать не буду там, народ у меня во френдах здравомыслящий, поплачет и так:)
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Date: 2004-12-07 09:37 pm (UTC):)
как говорится, "каждый понимает в меру своей распущенности"
мое дело - привести мнение, дело каждого - трактовать, как он считает необходимым
спешу заметить, что человек ЖИВЕТ в этой стране, и если у него есть впечатление, что жизнь улучшается - это УЖЕ не может не радовать.
В конце-концов, perception is reality just until reality becomes reality :)
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Date: 2004-12-08 09:49 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 11:14 am (UTC)хотя, у семей репрессированых вряд ли такое ощущение было...
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Date: 2004-12-08 03:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 11:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 12:11 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 12:34 pm (UTC)На самом деле, Юль, это больная тема... у меня нечто подобное случилось на прошлой неделе, но никак не связано с темами, которые мы тут могли бы обсуждать, так что переоценку ценностей (мою) я прошу продолжать проводить в мягком, постепенном режиме... :)
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Date: 2004-12-12 12:55 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 01:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-12-12 01:32 pm (UTC)Я имела в виду общий поток сознания в твоем жж. Только и всего.
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Date: 2004-12-12 01:44 pm (UTC)сделаешь какие-нибудь выводы - просвети, не забудь, ладно? :)