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3etaСегодня пришло письмо от Президента Международной Ассоциации Граждан Украины с просьбой поддержать нижеследующее обращение Бушу.
У меня реакция только одна: ИДИОТЫ!!!
Dear Mr. President,
Dear Mr. Powell,
Dear Ms. Rice, November 29, 2004
In 1991, after 300 years of Russian and Soviet domination, the Ukrainian people, in a firm and democratic voice, voted for independence. This act effectively ended the Soviet Union. Today, Russia, never content with losing their domination over Ukraine, is attempting to regain its control and influence over the Ukrainian people. Despite hundreds of millions of Russian dollars, untoward intrusion, manipulation, and pressure to accept Moscow’s favored candidate, the Ukrainian people have voted for freedom and democracy. Now, faced with defeat, Moscow is further interfering in Ukraine, promoting separatist movements in eastern areas of Ukraine.
These actions, in violation of every international norm and standard, must end!
We, Ukrainian citizens living in the United States, ask for your help in defending Ukraine’s democracy. We call on you to exercise your firm position towards democracy and for free and fair elections in Ukraine. The situation is Ukraine is still very tense. Millions of Ukrainian people in the country and abroad remain on the streets expressing their disgust with the actions of a Ukrainian government that falsified elections and continuing Russian interference. Since proclaiming independence 13 years ago, the Ukrainian people have had to endure rule by an autocratic and corrupt government, were deprived of many human rights and forced to live in poverty in a country with deep corruption. The current government continues to deprive the people of their right to vote and to live in a united and peaceful country. In the media, Channel 5, Era, and other democratic TV and press sources, which broadcast the true situation in Ukraine, have been shut out of eastern and southern parts of the country. Government manipulation continues!
As you know, during last couple of days, demonstrations in southern and eastern Ukraine have been led by Prime-Minister and erstwhile Presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovych and the Mayor of Moscow Yuriy Luzhkov, who is well known for his separatist calls to reunite Ukrainian Crimea to Russia. At these meetings, they advocate autonomy for these regions. Splitting the country is the worst thing that can happen. This idea does not come from the people, but rather from the current government, from corrupt mayors of southern and eastern regions where the most election fraud was committed, and, most of all, from those politicians in Russia who have never been happy with an independent Ukraine.
We request that you use all political and legal means to convince Mr. Putin and other Russian politicians not to interfere in Ukrainian politics and not to play a hypocritical role in Ukraine. President Putin has been complaining about Western influence in Ukraine while Russia continues to play its dirty games. For President Kuchma, we ask you to declare his separatist threats as unconstitutional in Ukraine and against all international, legal and moral standards.
Concerned citizens of Ukraine
У меня реакция только одна: ИДИОТЫ!!!
Dear Mr. President,
Dear Mr. Powell,
Dear Ms. Rice, November 29, 2004
In 1991, after 300 years of Russian and Soviet domination, the Ukrainian people, in a firm and democratic voice, voted for independence. This act effectively ended the Soviet Union. Today, Russia, never content with losing their domination over Ukraine, is attempting to regain its control and influence over the Ukrainian people. Despite hundreds of millions of Russian dollars, untoward intrusion, manipulation, and pressure to accept Moscow’s favored candidate, the Ukrainian people have voted for freedom and democracy. Now, faced with defeat, Moscow is further interfering in Ukraine, promoting separatist movements in eastern areas of Ukraine.
These actions, in violation of every international norm and standard, must end!
We, Ukrainian citizens living in the United States, ask for your help in defending Ukraine’s democracy. We call on you to exercise your firm position towards democracy and for free and fair elections in Ukraine. The situation is Ukraine is still very tense. Millions of Ukrainian people in the country and abroad remain on the streets expressing their disgust with the actions of a Ukrainian government that falsified elections and continuing Russian interference. Since proclaiming independence 13 years ago, the Ukrainian people have had to endure rule by an autocratic and corrupt government, were deprived of many human rights and forced to live in poverty in a country with deep corruption. The current government continues to deprive the people of their right to vote and to live in a united and peaceful country. In the media, Channel 5, Era, and other democratic TV and press sources, which broadcast the true situation in Ukraine, have been shut out of eastern and southern parts of the country. Government manipulation continues!
As you know, during last couple of days, demonstrations in southern and eastern Ukraine have been led by Prime-Minister and erstwhile Presidential candidate Viktor Yanukovych and the Mayor of Moscow Yuriy Luzhkov, who is well known for his separatist calls to reunite Ukrainian Crimea to Russia. At these meetings, they advocate autonomy for these regions. Splitting the country is the worst thing that can happen. This idea does not come from the people, but rather from the current government, from corrupt mayors of southern and eastern regions where the most election fraud was committed, and, most of all, from those politicians in Russia who have never been happy with an independent Ukraine.
We request that you use all political and legal means to convince Mr. Putin and other Russian politicians not to interfere in Ukrainian politics and not to play a hypocritical role in Ukraine. President Putin has been complaining about Western influence in Ukraine while Russia continues to play its dirty games. For President Kuchma, we ask you to declare his separatist threats as unconstitutional in Ukraine and against all international, legal and moral standards.
Concerned citizens of Ukraine
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Date: 2004-11-29 07:33 am (UTC)We call on you to exercise your !firm position towards democracy!
он ее уже excercised сначала в афганистане, потом в ираке...
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Date: 2004-11-29 08:04 am (UTC)Друзья. Ха-ха-ха.
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Date: 2004-11-29 08:04 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-29 08:05 am (UTC)Это же письмо украинцев.
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Date: 2004-11-29 09:51 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-29 10:06 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-29 09:31 am (UTC)Мы, значит, как всегда, вовсем виноваты.
Как и 300 лет назад. Ахахахаааа...
"who is well known for his separatist calls to reunite Ukrainian Crimea to Russia"
Вот это без дрожи вообще читать не могу. Посему от комментариев воздержусь. :)
Но согласись, письмо истерично, необъективно и писано наверняка западниками.
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Date: 2004-11-29 10:02 am (UTC)Да Киев голосовал за Ющенко с 40%м перевесом! Хотя там почти половина - русскоязычное население.
Согласна, что письмо слегка истеричное, но меня больше возмутил сам факт обращения к Бушу.
Что касается Крыма, не буду спорить. Я знаю многих крымчан и они не рвутся в Россию - у н6их своя автономия, свой верховный совет, свой бюджет. Крайне малый, правда, а потому каждый год просят-таки денег у Киева.
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Date: 2004-11-29 10:20 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2004-11-29 10:30 am (UTC)- Украина ввела двойное гражданство
- Россия ввела двойное гражданство
- крымчанам сделали бы упрощенный режим принятия укр/рус гражданства
К сожалению, крымчане молчат. Все требования, которые слышны из Крыма - это только вопли татар...:(
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Date: 2004-11-29 10:33 am (UTC)Да, татары там и слышны, и видны, и вполне осязаемы, особенно когда поднимаешься на Ай-Петри, и тебя со всех сторон хватают за штаны: "Вай, туда не ходи, сюда ходи". В 97, кстати, этого не было.
Политика Кучмы?
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Date: 2004-11-29 11:46 am (UTC)А что ты спрашивала о политике Кучмы?
Про равнодушие согласна, хотя мои друзья в Симферополе весьма и весьма активны. Но это все же столица - там жизнь явно получше.
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Date: 2004-12-04 08:34 am (UTC)Щодо "дружби": існує пакт, Росія використовує Чечню як полігон для випробування зброї та тренування армії і мовчить про Ірак тощо; США використовують Ірак для того ж плюс спроби контролювати нафту - і, в свою чергу, мовчать про Чечню. Маєте іншу думку?
До п. quick_silver: Ви коли останній раз писали листа якомусь президенту? В США якщо хочете якусь увагу привернути до будь-чого, так і робиться: листа до през. + мітінг із повідомленням ЗМІ. Текст був написаний людьми, обізнаними з правилами протокола в США, тому не судіть з своєї дзвінниці.
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Date: 2004-12-05 12:25 pm (UTC)Что касается "дружбы", то не было бы такого активного вмешательства России, если бы не было и вмешательства США. Никакой "дружбы" между двумя империалистическими государствами таких масштабов быть не может. Могут быть отдельные "пакты о ненападении" по отдельным вопросам, но, боюсь, Украина пока не тот случай - каждый вмешивается в меру своих желаний и возможностей, а наша задача как раз постараться это вмешательство минимизировать.
Впрочем, хочу извиниться и забрать назад свою грубость - видно, что действовали вы обдуманно, исходя из собственного видения ситуации. Мне оно, правда, кажется все же ошибочным.
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Date: 2004-12-06 08:27 am (UTC)Щодо "дружби" - Ви абсолютно праві, тут більше пакт про ненападіння по деяких питаннях.
Дякуємо за розуміння. Справа в тому, що тут з офіса Буша деякий час взагалі не було ніяких сигналів щодо України, тому треба було його посмикати трохи:) Тут просто це більш-менш норма, треба зчиняти галас, інакше "під лежачий камінь вода не тече".
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Date: 2004-12-06 06:01 pm (UTC)